Scotland’s Flags

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Scotland Flag and The Royal Flag of Scotland

 

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The Flag of Scotland (Scottish Gaelic: bratach na h-Alba; Scots: Banner o Scotland), also known as St Andrew’s Cross or the Saltire, is the national flag of Scotland. As the national flag, the Saltire, rather than the Royal Standard of Scotland, is the correct flag for all individuals and corporate bodies to fly. It is also, where possible, flown from Scottish Government buildings every day from 8am until sunset, with certain exceptions.

According to legend, the Christian apostle and martyr Saint Andrew, the patron saint of Scotland, was crucified on an X-shaped cross at Patras, (Patrae), in Achaea. Use of the familiar iconography of his martyrdom, showing the apostle bound to an X-shaped cross, first appears in the Kingdom of Scotland in 1180 during the reign of William I. It was again depicted on seals used during the late 13th century, including on one used by the Guardians of Scotland, dated 1286.

Using a simplified symbol which does not depict St. Andrew’s image, the saltire or crux decussata, (from the Latin crux, ‘cross’, and decussis, ‘having the shape of the Roman Numeral X’), began in the late 14th century. In June 1385, the Parliament of Scotland decreed that Scottish soldiers serving in France would wear a white Saint Andrew’s Cross, both in front and behind, for identification.

 

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The Royal Flag of Scotland is called the Royal Flag, because it is now used as the Royal Coats of Arms, but it was not always that way. If it is on a flagpole it is the Royal Flag, if it is just hanging up, it is the Royal Banner of Scotland. There was a time when Scotland had no Coats of Arms, and symbols, but they were influenced by outside countries.

We just blogged about the Beast of Gotland.  The Carruthers, then called Ashman, came to Scotland in 400 A.D.  Their arrived in boats that were beautifully carved, and their jewelry and trinkets were all decorated with their symbols.

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Their shields always lined the side of their boats with beautifully painted symbols on each one.

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These same types of images can still be seen in the museums on Gotland today. They were brought to Scotland with the Ashman in 400 AD and nothing in Scotland compared to that point.

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Now we have what we see as the evolution of these symbols in Scotland.

 

Scandinavian Scotland

Scandinavian Scotland refers to the period which Vikings and Norse settlers, mainly Scandinavians, and their descendants colonized parts of what is now the periphery of modern Scotland. Viking influence in the area commenced in the late 8th century, and hostility between the Scandinavian Earls of Orkney and the emerging thalassocracy of the Kingdom of the Isles, the rulers of Ireland, Dál Riata and Alba, and intervention by the crown of Norway were recurring themes.

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Thorfinn Sigurdsson’s rule in the 11th century included expansion well into north mainland Scotland and this may have been the zenith of Scandinavian influence. The obliteration of pre-Norse names in the Hebrides and Northern Isles, and their replacement with Norse ones was almost total although the emergence of alliances with the native Gaelic speakers produced a powerful Norse-Gael culture that had wide influence in Argyll, Galloway and beyond.

An unbroken line of Norse earls of Orkney ended in 1213 AD.

 

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1100 AD the symbol of The Golden Lion was first used in battle when the Scandinavians used it in the Baltic Crusades.

1100 AD, William the Conqueror, gave the Carruthers their colors of gold and red.  These were a universal color of heraldry.  These colors were used by many countries throughout Europe, especially in battle.

 

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Richard, Coeur de Lion, or the Lionhearted, used the symbol of the three lions or leopards, when he went off to the crusades.  He was born in England, where he spent his childhood; before becoming king, however, he lived most of his adult life in the Duchy of Aquitaine, in the southwest of France. Following his accession, he spent very little time, perhaps as little as six months, in England. When he returned to England, The Three Golden Lions were prominently displayed. The Golden Lion, alone, was used in France for centuries, where it is reasonable to see that Richard used the Three Golden Lions, now the Royal Arms of England.

 

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A form of these arms was used by King William the Lion in the 12th century, though no trace of them can be made out on his seal. However, a lion Ancient coats of can clearly be made out on the seal of his son, Alexander II. Over the years many writers have claimed them to be much older; even Alexander Nisbet, considered to be one of the more reliable Scottish heralds, claims that a lion was first adopted as a personal symbol by the legendary Fergus, with the royal tressure being added in the reign of Achaius.

Throughout the ages the arms passed from monarch to succeeding monarch with only slight variations in detail. In some early examples the lion holds a sword or wears a crown, and the royal tressure has sometimes been interpreted as an orle or bordure. Many of these relatively minor variations will have resulted from the individual efforts of stonemasons, weavers, artists and sculptors throughout the ages in their attempts to create a facsimile of the arms of the period, as well as mistakes and misinterpretations on the part of foreign heraldic artists.

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German Knights 14th century

 

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In the reign of James III, the Scottish Parliament made a curious attempt to get rid of the royal tressure, passing an act stating that “the King, with the advice of the three Estates ordained that in time to come there should be no double tressure about his arms, but that he should bear whole arms of the lion without any more”. This state of affairs does not appear to have lasted very long, with James III soon re-instating the royal tressure, first without its top, and then in its original form.

 

When Mary, Queen of Scots, married Francis, Dauphin of France, in 1558, Mary’s Royal arms of Scotland were impaled with those of the Dauphin, whose arms were themselves quartered with those of Scotland to indicate his status as King consort of Scotland. When Francis ascended to the throne of the Kingdom of France in 1559 as King Francis II, the arms were again altered to indicate his status as King of France, with those of Mary also being altered to reflect her elevated status as Queen consort of France.

 

Following the death of Francis in 1560, Mary continued to use the arms showing Scotland and France impaled, (with a minor alteration of the arms to reflect her change of status from queen-consort to Queen dowager), until her marriage to Henry, Lord Darnley, in 1565. (Such symbolism was not lost upon Queen Elizabeth I of England, given that the English monarchy had for centuries held a historical claim to the throne of France, symbolized by the arms of France having been quartered with those of England since 1340). Following the marriage to Darnley, the arms of Scotland reverted to the blazon which had preceded the marriage to Francis.

Union of the Crowns

On the death of Queen Elizabeth I of England in 1603, James VI, inherited the thrones of England and Ireland. The arms of England were quartered with those of Scotland, and a quarter for Ireland was also added. At this time the King of England also laid claim to the French throne, therefore the arms of the Kingdom of England were themselves already quartered with those of the Kingdom of France. James used a different version of his royal arms in Scotland and this distinction in royal protocol continued post the Acts of Union of 1707. (Today, the Royal Arms of the United Kingdom used in Scotland continue to differ from those used elsewhere).

 

During the reign of King Charles II, the royal arms used in Scotland were augmented with the inclusion of the Latin motto of the Order of the Thistle, the highest Chivalric order of the Kingdom of Scotland.

The motto of the Order of the Thistle, Nemo me impune lacessit, appears on a blue scroll overlying the compartment. (Previously, only the collar of the Order of the Thistle had appeared on the arms).

 

The addition by King Charles of Nemo me impune lacessit ensured that the blazon of his Royal arms used in Scotland complemented that of his Royal arms used elsewhere, in that two mottoes were displayed. The blazon used elsewhere had included the French motto of the arms, Dieu et mon droit, together with the Old French motto of the Order of the Garter, the highest Chivalric order of the Kingdom of England. The motto of the Order of the Garter, Honi soit qui mal y pense, appears on a representation of the garter surrounding the shield. Henceforth, the versions of the Royal arms used in Scotland and elsewhere were to include both the motto of the arms of the respective kingdom and the motto of the associated order of chivalry.

 

From the accession of the Stuart dynasty to the throne of the Kingdom of Ireland in 1603, the Royal Arms have featured the harp, or Cláirseach, of Ireland in the third quadrant, the style of the harp itself having been altered several times since. The position of King of Ireland ceased with the passage by the Oireachtas of the Republic of Ireland Act 1948, when the office of President of Ireland (which had been created in late 1937) replaced that of the King of Ireland for external as well as internal affairs. The Act declared that the Irish state could be described as a republic, following which the newly created Republic of Ireland left the British Commonwealth. However, the modern versions of the Royal Arms of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland used both in Scotland and elsewhere, and also the arms of Canada, continue to feature an Irish harp to represent Northern Ireland.

 

Changes to the blazon of the arms

Following the marriage of Mary, Queen of Scots, in 1558, the blazon of the royal arms of Scotland included elements from the arms of:

The Kingdom of France, (1559–1565)

Following the Union of the Crowns in 1603, the blazon of the royal arms of Scotland included elements from the arms of:

The Kingdom of England, (1603–1707)

The Kingdom of Ireland, (1603–1707)

Following the reign of Charles II, King of Scots, the blazon of the royal arms of Scotland included upon a blue scroll overlying the compartment, the motto of The Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle; Nemo me impune lacessit, and elements from the arms of:

Following the Acts of Union of 1707, the blazon of the royal arms of Great Britain used in Scotland included elements from the arms of:

The Kingdom of Ireland (1707–1800)

The Electorate of Hanover, (1714–1800)

Following the Act of Union of 1800, the blazon of the royal arms of the United Kingdom used in Scotland included elements from the arms of:

The Kingdom of Hanover, (1814–1837)

Following the accession of Queen Victoria in 1837, the modern royal arms of the United Kingdom were adopted.

 

 

 

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The Beast of Gotland

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The Beast of Gotland

 

Here we start back in Gotland again.

If you do not understand what that means, please read the previous blogs.

Were the men of Gotland considered Beasts?

Oh hell yes!  And they were very nice and very good at it!

We have learned, the unforgettable memory, of these giants of men, ravaging and pillaging all of Europe, and wearing kilts, possibly so they can easily take it off, and fight in the buff.

Did you remember that our ancestors were generally accepted to have originated the  heiti for

“men (of the tribe)”, with the literal meaning “they who pour their seed”.  This is one of the oldest mention of men from the same tribe or clan, or family who went off to battle together.

The Killing Beast

The short form of Gautigoths was the Old Norse Gautar, which originally referred to just the inhabitants of Västergötland, or the western parts of today’s Götaland, a meaning which is retained in some Icelandic and Norse sagas.

Beowulf is one of those Norse sagas, along with Gautar and Widsith.   Beowulf and the Norse sagas describe several battles, such as a raid into Frisia, ca 516, which is described in Beowulf, along with the events related in this epic, some described the Geats as a nation which was “bold, and quick to engage in war”.

Not only in the Story of Beowulf were they giants in battle, but the Gotalanders, were making a lot of gold for killing Romans, and protecting Romans.  They were developing a reputation for being quick to the fight!

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There remain picture stones of Gotland.  Hundreds of memorial stones were produced from the local limestone, in pre-viking and Viking times, which became richly informative. General themes are easily recognized: ships on a journey, men fighting in battle or defending a house, a warrior being welcomed home or into Valhalla, often by a woman who offers him a drinking horn, stories of gods and heroes.

These stones were the written stories of all the men that were lost, those that came home, and all that fought bravely.

One very interesting stone has been given the name Ardre VIII.   It stands about 7 feet tall, and is round at the top and is broken into different sections that depict some of the stories of battles.  There are two other stones to look into Larbro I, and the Klinte Hunninge.

They might have been Bold, and Quick to engage in war, but they were Ready and Faithful to the Heiti or tribe, they were the Beasts of Gotland.

 

Beauty and the Beast

The Grimm Brothers wrote many tales. Their tales were the first to be written of the beasts, but were stories orally told over and over again for centuries. Like playing telephone, and the stories change a bit here and there.   The Grimm Fairy tales were a collection of tales and stories told of old. The old monsters and beasts who lived on the land.

These stories were of big monsters, and mean women who ate little children.  Wicked people who were deep in the forest, and took children far away never to be seen from again.  Most of these stories carried through for hundreds of years, all telling of the Beasts of Gotland.

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Thankfully, along came Walt Disney and romanticized these stories.  Cinderella, Snow White and Hansel and Gretel. Well, Walt Disney did tame the beast and made the stories easier to experience than the Grimms Tales, but there are scenes in each one that can have us sitting on the edge of the chair. All stories of the terrible beasts that were from Gotland.  Finally, a good story about the beasts, Beauty and the Beast, and let us not forget Gulliver’s Travels.

 

The Beast become a Symbol 

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Our ancestors were experts in carving in wood and the beast is designed into many of their stylings.

They were the shipbuilders for most of Europe, but their own ships were decorated with beautiful hand carvings, most of which were that of beasts. Sometimes a different beast was used for a group of ships leaving for one war, or one battle.  Similar to a team of players all wearing the same ship and design.

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And of course, as early as 200 – 300 A.C.E. runic inscriptions are found on memorial stones and jewelry as well. These ancestors came through the stone age, the bronze age, the iron age and such, and their designs of the beasts come through their designs of jewelry.  One of my favorite of these rune memorial stones is found at Lund, and shows Hyrokkin riding on her wolf, and includes the wonderful serpent reins that she used to control the great beast.

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Viking Art has become very popular, and there are many different types of Viking Art, but the Urnes style has lasted through out the centuries.  You can see the BEAST, a symbol actually representing all the generations of Gotlanders who fought bravely for home, and yes for gold, but most importantly for their family in many works today.

Every year in August, the people of Gotland dress in pre-viking and Viking garb, and you will see the flag of The Beast of Gotland, flying proudly throughout their villages.

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Ancient and Honorable Carruthers Clan Society International

carrutherslogoI would like to take this opportunity to let it be known that this letter has been sent out to various Clan organizations, societies, museums and groups.

No matter the spelling of such a Proud ancestral name, you all are members!

Through the scientific breakthroughs of DNA, we know we are all of the same people, and we should  join together as one, socialize as one family, and bring knowledge to future generations.

 

To Whom it May Concern,

 

We all have an ancestral bond with the Ancient and Honorable Carruthers Clan or Family.

We take this opportunity to declare our intent to form the:

Ancient and Honorable Carruthers Clan Society International.

We are committed to preserving the heritage and tradition of the Carruthers Clan and to assist others of Scottish ancestry.  Our society would contribute to all Carruthers on an international level by becoming involved with Scottish Activities, helping those of Scottish ancestry with education and genealogy, and promoting and encouraging Scottish culture, not only for the Carruthers Clan but all Clans and organizations.

We wish to strengthen and sustain the important of being a Scottish Clan, into tomorrow. With this intent of the organization we will increase the popularity of our common interests, with the hope of adding new members so to develop growth and expansion on a regular basis.  Encouraging  social interactions and projects, and by developing relationships and friendships, this organization will become stronger.

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Tartans and Jutland/Gotland

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Tartans and Jutland/Gotland

History of the Tartan

 

According to the textile historian E. J. W. Barber, the Hallstatt culture of Central Europe, which is linked with ancient Celtic populations and flourished between the 8th and 6th centuries BC, produced tartan-like textiles. Some of them were discovered in 2004, remarkably preserved, in the Hallstatt salt mines near Salzburg, Austria. Textile analysis of fabric from the Tarim mummies in Xinjiang, northwestern China has also shown it to be similar to that of the Iron Age Hallstatt culture. Tartan-like leggings were found on the “Chechen Man”, a 3,000-year-old mummy found in the Taklamakan Desert. Similar finds have been made in central Europe and Scandinavia. The earliest documented tartan in Britain, known as the “Falkirk” tartan, dates from the 3rd century AD. It was uncovered at Falkirk in Stirlingshire, Scotland, about 400 meters north-west of the Antonine Wall. The fragment was stuffed into the mouth of an earthenware pot containing almost 2,000 Roman coins. The Falkirk tartan has a simple check design, of natural light and dark wool. Early forms of tartan like this are thought to have been invented in pre-Roman times, and would have been popular among the inhabitants of the northern Roman provinces as well as in other parts of Northern Europe such as Jutland, where the same pattern was prevalent.

If someone says that tartans were not around until the 1400’s or 1600’s, you know this is wrong. They are most likely reading off of a merchandizers website, who wants to sell you something.

Our Jutland/ Gotland ancestors wore tartans as early as 8BC.

 

Wearing A Tartan

As each century passed, and the development of clothing evolved you will see a continuing change in the checks and designs of each tartan.  Martin Martin, in A Description of the Western Islands of Scotland, published in 1703, wrote that Scottish tartans could be used to distinguish the inhabitants of different regions. He expressly wrote that the inhabitants of various islands and the mainland of the Highlands were not necessarily all dressed alike, but that the setts and colors of the various tartans did varied from isle to isle.

For many centuries, the patterns were loosely associated with the weavers of a particular area This might have been the start of families wearing the same cloth. A 1587 charter granted to Hector Maclean of Duart requires feu duty on land paid as 60 ells of cloth of white, black and green colours. A witness of the 1689 Battle of Killiecrankie describes “McDonnell’s men in their triple stripes.

Many setts were given fancy names for their tartans, such as the Robin Hood tartan, but did not use their name to describe a tartan.     Regimental or Military tartans started 1730.

There was always a distinction to each color and pattern of a tartan, depending on where you lived, what sett you were in, and even what regimental tartan you agreed on adopting.

 

Color of Your Tartan.

Most of what is recorded about tartans, has to do with battles, and the tartan that was worn for a particular battle.  Men wore tartans as a regiment, a distinguishable sign of your “team”.  Similar to wearing the same t-shirts for competitions today.

As we know from the last blog, our ancestors liked to fight in the buff!   Scary thought.

When our group of ancestors went off to battle, approximately 1080, during the times of the crusades, William the Conqueror was the King, and he gave the colors of red and yellow to our ancestors.  They would use these colors on their clothing, amour, flags and such.  Some interpret the color red was used as “battle tartans”, designed so they would not show blood.  The yellow color might be that of gold, a sign of royalty, since it is said that William the Conqueror was a bastard king, and his biological mother was a Carruthers named Mary Margaret, whose father was a tanner in the local town. Some will say that various colors associated with families is a modern idea, but I do not agree.

The colors of red and yellow (gold), have been carried through centuries associated with the Carruthers Family.

 

Popularity the Bruce Clan

At one time it was proposed that Robert de Brix, fought with our ancestors and William the Conqueror.

There is no evidence to support a claim that a member of the family, Robert de Brix, served under William the Conqueror during the Norman Conquest of England. This notion is now believed to have originated in unreliable lists, derived from the later Middle Ages, of people who supposedly fought at the Battle of Hastings.( Emma Cownie (2004). Brus , Robert de (supp. d. 1094). Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. Oxford University Press.)  This means they do not have claim to using the colors of red and yellow, supposedly given to them by William the Conqueror.

This is a picture of William Wallace Tartan

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No where do you see the colors of red and yellow being used.

The Bruce Clan does not have claim to the red and yellow, and William Wallace did not have red and yellow in their tartan either.

 

Today you can get a tartan in various dyes.

The shades of color in tartan can be altered to produce variations of the same tartan. The resulting variations are termed: modern, ancient, and muted. These terms refer to color only.

 Modern represents a tartan that is colored using chemical dye, as opposed to natural dye. In the mid-19th century natural dyes began to be replaced by chemical dyes which were easier to use and were more economic for the booming tartan industry. Chemical dyes tended to produce a very strong, dark color compared to the natural dyes. In modern colors, setts made up of blue, black and green tend to be obscured.

Ancient refers to a lighter shade of tartan. These shades are meant to represent the colors that would result from fabric aging over time.

Muted refers to tartan which is shade between modern and ancient. This type of tartan is very modern, dating only from the early 1970s. This shade is said to be the closest match to the shades attained by natural dyes used before the mid-19th century.

Merchandizers

 

In 2003, many of the oldest records were destroyed in a fire in Scotland.  The Tartan Museum in Franklin, North Carolina USA, holds more records than anyone right now. Because of this fire, I do believe that merchandizers feel they can and will say whatever they need to, in order to sell their product.  In reality, you can wear whatever you wish. Military and Regimental tartans.  Sections of Scotland have territorial tartans.   Some parts of Canada have adopted territorial tartans.

Anyone can go and have a tartan designed and call it what they want.  They can list it, and register it (similar to a patent) and collect money from it.  Tartans can be marketed in any way they wish, to get you to buy it.

I would recommend if you are considering a tartan that you talk to other family members and agree on one.

You come from an ancient and honorable family and possibly the traditional red and yellow is right for you.

 

 

Tip for The Ladies

Ladies if you are wearing a tartan sash, it goes from the left shoulder to the right hip.  NOT the right shoulder to the left hip which looks like a beauty pageant queen.

 

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Land of Giants and Demons

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The Land of Giants and Demons

 

Who were our ancestors from Gotland, who were once called Ashmen,

and now they are known as Carruthers.

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We are talking pre 400 AD.  So they were known as the Goths, Gauts, Gath, Gutes, Geats and Gotar, along with other variations.  Such is Carruthers, Carrothers, Crothers, Crudders, Creuders, Crithers, and other variations.

These wonderful pre-Carruthers, Ashmen, were called the Giants of Gutland, or Gotland. The Gutes or the Gotlanders (in Swedish gutar) are the population of the island of Gotland. The ethnonym is related to that of the Goths (Gutans), and both names were originally Proto-Germanic *Gutaniz. Their language is called Gutnish (gutniska).

A lot of history in this time was oral history.  But scholars, and even the monks were moving into the different territories and writing history down.  So, yes there are written documents, and now along with all the excavations going on, and the DNA matching, the researchers are pulling more and more together.

What did they consider a Giant?

Most of the Giant Gutlanders, who spread across Europe, were between 15 feet and 36 feet tall.

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Gotland was referred to as “the land of giants and demons”.  Some of the earliest recollections of giants on Gotland was a reference to Fornjot, who at one time was considered to be mythological.  No more.

“Fornjot was a giant and King of Gutland.  Son AEgin, ruler of the sea, Logi, fire giant and Kari giant of water.” Fornjot was only 15 feet tall.  He was considered small but powerful.  His sons were 20feet tall.

A lot of you might ask if our ancestors, raped and pillaged most of Europe.  Well, the short answer is, yes, and they did a damn good job.   So, it is no surprise that The Roman writer and diplomat Sidonius Apollinaris described the Gothic king Theoderic in a letter to his brother in law Agricola:

“Well, he is a man worth knowing, even by those who cannot enjoy his close acquaintance, so happily have Providence and Nature joined to endow him with the perfect gifts of fortune; his way of life is such that not even the envy which lies in wait for kings can rob him of his proper praise. And first as to his person. He is well set up, in height above the average man, but below the giant. His head is round, with curled hair retreating somewhat from brow to crown. His nervous neck is free from disfiguring knots. The eyebrows are bushy and arched; when the lids droop, the lashes reach almost half-way down the cheeks. The upper ears are buried under overlying locks, after the fashion of his race. The nose is finely aquiline; the lips are thin and not enlarged by undue distension of the mouth. Every day the hair springing from his nostrils is cut back; that on the face springs thick from the hollow of the temples, but the razor has not yet come upon his cheek, and his barber is assiduous in eradicating the rich growth on the lower part of the face. Chin, throat, and neck are full, but not fat, and all of fair complexion; seen close, their color is fresh as that of youth; they often flush, but from modesty, and not from anger. His shoulders are smooth, the upper- and forearms strong and hard; hands broad, breast prominent; waist receding. The spine dividing the broad expanse of back does not project, and you can see the springing of the ribs; the sides swell with salient muscle, the well-girt flanks are full of vigor. His thighs are like hard horn; the knee-joints firm and masculine; the knees themselves the comeliest and least wrinkled in the world. A full ankle supports the leg, and the foot is small to bear such mighty limbs.”

 

Here is a physical description of them by the Romans from a book titled “Day of the Barbarians” (2007) by Alessandro Barbero, history professor at a univ. in Italy.  ( ok, so I forgot to tell you we were referred to as Barbarians at one time)

The Romans were very envious of the Goths and described them in derogatory terms. The Goths were described as uselessly tall, having so much muscle mass in their upper body that the Romans didn’t know how their feet could support them. They said the Goths needed to have more around their middle like the Romans because they tapered down to a wasp like waist. It sounds like they were describing the look modern bodybuilders are trying to get. The Goths seemed to have this look naturally. Another historian of that era described them as the finest physical specimens he had ever seen.

 

In a letter to a senator named Catullinus Sidonius tells about how it felt like for a Roman to be surrounded by barbarians: “Why – even supposing I had the skill – do you bid me compose a song dedicated to Venus the lover of Fescennine (city in Etruria known for scurrilous and joking verses) mirth, placed as I am among long-haired hordes, having to endure German speech, praising oft with vry face the song of the gluttonous Burgundian who spreads rancid butter on his hair? Do you want me to tell you what Tecks all poetry? Driven away by barbarian thrumming the Muse has spurned the six-footed exercise ever since she beheld these patrons seven feet high. I am fain to call your eyes and ears happy, happy too your nose, for you don’t have a reek of garlic and foul onions dis- charged upon you at early morning from ten breakfast, and you are not invaded even before dawn, like an old grandfather or a foster-father, by a crowd of giants, so many and so big that not even the kitchen of Alcinous could support them (Alcinous supplied Jason and the Argonauts with food on their return from Colchis).”

 

The Romans did not think that it was nice to have blue eyes. They often used the term “threatening blue eyes”.

I am going to add a statement from Procopius, even though he was closer to 500AD.

Procopios wrote about the appearance of the Goths in his book on the Justinian Wars: “All these, while they are distinguished from one another by their names (Goths and other migration people), as has been said, do not differ in anything else at all. For they all have white bodies and fair hair, and are tall and handsome to look upon, and they use the same laws and practice a common religion. For they are all of the Arian faith, and have one language called Gothic; and, as it seems to me, they all came originally from one tribe, and were distinguished later by the names of those who led each group.”

One of our DNA markers is Italy.  This shows again how our ancestors spent a lot of time fighting against the Romans, and also being paid to protect the Romans as history states.

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Pre-Biblical

We know our ancestors, through DNA can be traced back to at least 500 BC.  So, let us go back farther than Procopios.

A man by the name of Rudbeck expressed the idea that the ancient Gutlanders (A.K.A. the Atlanteans) held sway over most of what is now Europe and the countries bounding the Mediterranean Sea. He even suggested that the Greek and Hebrew alphabets were derivations from that of the Atlanteans, or Gutlanders.

“One suggestion of such a relation is found in the Old Testament. I Samuel 17:3-4 (KJV) says:

(3) And the Philistines stood on a mountain on the one side, and Israel stood on a mountain on the other side: and there was a valley between them.

(4) And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span.

Here, I have underlined the word Gath to suggest a possible relation to the Swedish island province of Gotland, which some hold to be the original home of the Goths.”

 

Rudbeck also talk about the story of David and Goliath.  “Goliath was known as a giant. His described height equates to his being ten feet tall. He was not, however, a unique freak of nature. He was apparently a member of a race of giants living in Caanan.”

“And it came to pass when the children of men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born unto them, that the angels of God saw them on a certain year of this jubilee, that they were beautiful to look upon; and they took themselves wives of all whom they chose, and they bare unto them sons and they were giants.” – The Book of Jubilees – Chapter V: 1

“At the ruin of the great city of Ugarit and the beginning of the harrassment of coastal towns by the mysterious Sea Giants.  “

Theories cite `Canaan’ as derived from the Hurrian language for `purple’ and, as the Greeks knew the Canaanites as `Phoenicians’ (Greek for `purple’ as the Phoenicians worked, primarily at the city of Tyre,in purple dye and so were called by the Greeks `purple people’) this explanation is the most probable but, by no means, provable.

In the Bible, and mostly today you would find this in the Jewish Bible, there is reference to the Nephilims Refaim, which are the ancient race of giant men in the Iron Age.  Our ancestors had already survived the Stone Age, and the Bronze Age, and here they are in the Iron Age.

In the first two cases the Revised Version (British and American) changes “giants” into the Hebrew words “Nephilim,” nephilim, and “Rephaim,” repha’im, respectively. The “Nephilim of Gen 6:4 are not to be confounded with the “mighty men” subsequently described as the offspring of the unlawful marriages, of “the sons of God” and “the daughters of men.” It is told that they overspread the earth prior to these unhallowed unions. That the word, whatever its etymology, bears the sense of men of immense stature is evident from the later passages; Num 13:33 . The same is true of the “Rephaim,” as shown by the instance of Og (Deut 3:11; Jos 12:4 ). There is no doubt about the meaning of the word in the ease of the giants mentioned in 2Sam 21 and 1Chron 20 .

There are 36 of Tribes of Giants mentioned in the Bible

There are also 22 individual Giants mentioned, by name, in the Bible

This does explain our DNA marker for Israel/Lebanon.

 

 

Did you know that our ancestors liked to fight in the buff?

 

It was said that some Gotars  ( Gotland ) would strip completely naked before going into battle; something meant to impact their enemies psychologically.

“Very terrifying too were the appearance and the gestures of the naked warriors in front, all in the prime of life, and finely built men, and all in the leading companies richly adorned with gold torques and armlets,” wrote Polybius (200-118 BC), in an account of a battle they fought against the Romans. (Translation through University of Chicago Penelope website)

Perhaps not coincidentally, ancient sources also say that the Gutes detested being overweight and had penalties against this. Strabo, quoting another writer named Ephorus, wrote “that they endeavor not to grow fat or pot-bellied, and any young man who exceeds the standard measure of the girdle is punished.”

 

 

Beowulf

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Scholarly literary men are looking at the research and evidence that the giants in Beowulf, are the Gutelanders.

Beowulf spots a huge, heavy, ancient sword from the days of the giants. He swings it toward Grendel’s mother in a wide arc, cutting deeply into her neck and killing her.

“Beowulf” reflects that ancient world though scholars debate when exactly it was written. Ancient writers including Geoffrey of Tours (History of the Franks), Procopius (The Secret History), and Jordanes (The Origin and Deeds of the Goths) wrote about events and people mentioned in “Beowulf” — most notably Hygelac (Geoffrey’s Danish king Chlochilaich) and Hrothulf (Roduulf).

 

Our ancestors were mentioned in the Bible, they pillaged and battled their way through Europe, and they are mentioned in Beowulf.  If you know the story about Jack the Giant Killer, they believe it is the those Gutelanders.

 

He belongs to an extinct people – tall, blond, blue eyed, fair

skinned. Long, narrow nose. High cheekbones. Liked to wear a fur

vest. Of course, the vest is something he could have picked up

elsewhere, but it feels to me like a throwback to an earlier time

that he himself remembered.

 

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Carruthers – Gotland – Ashman

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Carruthers – Gotland – Ashman

 

In the last two blogs, it was mentioned that all the Carruthers ancestors, no matter how it is spelled, have the same 32-36 DNA markers, and our earliest location is Gotland.  The same DNA takes us to 500 BC on the island of Gotland.

Gotland was in a perfect position to be a destination that people traveling would stop at. Its position in the middle of the Baltic Sea made the island a natural hub for contact between West and East. However, being an island also meant developing along different paths, creating special traditions and legends.
An island off the southwestern coast of what is now Sweden.

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Traces of around 60 coastal settlements have been found on Gotland, says Dan Carlsson. Most were small fishing hamlets with jetties apportioned among nearby farms. Fröjel, which was active  up until 1150, was one of about 10 settlements that grew into small towns, and Carlsson believes that it became a key player in a far-reaching trade network. “Gotlanders were middlemen,” he says, “and they benefited greatly from the exchange of goods from the West to the East, and the other way around.”

There is no doubt that Gotland served as a central meeting point in the Baltic Sea. Commerce took place among people from widespread areas, both near and far. Objects found in excavations include artefacts from Continental Europe and the Arabian caliphate. Since they found artifacts from the Arabian countries, does that mean we raped and pillaged our way down there.  OH, you bet we did!  And we were damn good at it too!

Most astounding of all are the great silver treasures, which have become well-known throughout the world. The huge number of” silver hordes” finds bears witness to wealth found nowhere else at our latitude. They have found in excess of 180,000 coins on Gotland, in comparison to 80,000 coins in all of Sweden and Norway.  The coins show the extent of Gotland’s contact with the outside world and the trade that helped make the island so rich. Ornamental metalwork is often found in burials but also comes from hoards and bog finds. Our ancestors were great “metal spinners”.  Findinsg in iron, copper, and silver are numerous. Besides the coins, the gold is found in the form of thin, disk-shaped pendants stamped on one side (known as bracteates), sword pommels, scabbard mounts, and large, extravagantly decorated collars with applied decoration.

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Fishing and hunting of wild animals, including moose, bear, and reindeer as well as small mammals and birds, remained important throughout the Late Iron Age, along with agriculture based on raising cattle, hogs, sheep, and goats and growing barley, rye, oats, and flax on arable land as the climate allowed.  Gotland was the most agriculturally rich areas. In the far north, there were reindeer herders . The hunters, fisherman and farmers were the upper class on Gotland, during the iron age.

Characteristic house types were long rectangular houses like those known at Vallhagar near the west coast of Gotland, dating to the sixth century, apparently similar to later Viking Age halls of indigenous longhouse type that are described in saga literature.

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Earlier than that in the Iron Age,  hillforts dot the landscape of the west coast of Gotland.   In coastal areas, they seem to provide refuge from sea attacks and protect waterways. Stone forts were built on the Baltic Islands, including Torsburgen on Gotlands.

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The huge number of” silver hordes” finds bears witness to wealth found nowhere else at our latitude. They have found in excess of 180,000 coins on Gotland, in comparison to 80,000 coins in all of Sweden and Norway.  The coins show the extent of Gotland’s contact with the outside world and the trade that helped make the island so rich.Hoards of Roman solidi (gold coins) deposited on the Baltic Islands from the late fifth century through the mid-sixth century also reflect unrest in this period.

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Because of the fact that our ancestors were such master of metal spinning, the helmets they made were of course the best.  They had the only metal helmet made with a protector for their nose.   Roman had helmets, but they did not know how to have any protecting over their face.  gotlandhelmet

 

Burials include both inhumation and cremation during the Late Iron Age, with single mounds gradually replacing mound groups yet with great variation in grave types. At 500 AD ornamental gold and bronze fragments were discovered and shown to be damaged by a cremation fire.  The ancestors were quite ritualistic.   They held elaborate funerals.

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Many families had their own graveyard, and they would build the outline of a ship around were all their immediate family was buried.  These were called barrow graves.

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Our Ancestors were fierce shipbuilders. Because of their metal spinning craftsmanship, they could create the tools needed.   They made ships mainly out of Ash Trees, which became a very sacred tree to them. When a new life was created or one had left this world they always planted an ash tree.   When people from other regions saw the boats, they would put their order in, and thus it was quite profitable for the Ancestors.  This is where they made the most of their money.   Boats and ships were a major importance in everyday life and they were a symbol of wealth and power.  Our ancestors were advanced in wood carpentry and it is mentioned often that these ships were lighter, slimmer, stronger and faster.

Because of the importance and sacredness of the Ash Tree, used for personal rituals and  for making these excellent ships, we were referred to as Ashman.  That was our name on Gotland, before coming to Scotland.  You will still see that name, mainly in Europe and what is interesting to me that many of the people who write books about ships, shipping, and in the shipping business are Ashman.

 

Before we were Carruthers, we were Ashman!

 

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More DNA Sample Names

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The Motor Vehicle Register for Inverness-shire, records ST1814 as being first registered in 1921 by Robert Carruthers & Sons, Courier Office, Inverness

 

ADDITIONAL DNA INFORMATION

The question was asked if I could provide any names and information that I have received on the participants in the DNA study.  What I have is a list of names, most with genealogical notes that they thought I would be interested in.  So, this I will be happy to pass along.

All participants show 32 or more matched markers to each other. So, if you are doing a family tree, there will someday be a way to show all the relations.

Note that on some profiles they set where the comparison sample came from.  Lots of clues there for you.

 

Bobby Cruthirds,

born 20th century

No additional genealogical info is currently available from this participant.

This individual falls squarely within the genetic mainstream of our Carruthers data set.

Samples from South Carolina, United States

 

 

James Carruthers,

1806 – 1880

James Carruthers married Elizabeth Wilson, and emigrated to New Brunswick, Canada about 1832. His son William was born in Kilpotlees, Dumfries in 1830.

Samples from: Dumfriesshire, Scotland

One of the participants, through the DNA study, who can claim both sets of early roots in Dumfriesshire.

 

Edward Carrothers,

born 1723

Edward’s descendant Noble Carruthers (1809-1883) emigrated from Northern Ireland to Ontario in 1836. When he died, was a resident of Pontiac County, Quebec.

Samples from:   Bracky Townland, Derryvullan Parish, Fermanagh, Northern Ireland

This individual falls squarely within the genetic mainstream of our Carruthers data set.

 

Christopher Carruthers,

born 1822

The participant is an Australian of Scottish descent now apparently residing in Scotland. He claims a pedigree going all the way back to William De Carruthers, born 1185.

This individual falls squarely within the genetic mainstream of our Carruthers data set.

 

John Carruthers,

1798 – 1873

John was born in Ireland, but emigrated to Morris Twp., Huntingdon Cty, Pennsylvania sometime in the 1830’s. Several Carothers families had already settled in that area prior to the Revolutionary War. John’s son William Henry, and an older brother whose name is as yet unknown, were both born in Huntingdon Cty.

 

Nathaniel Carruthers,

1760 – 1802

Nathaniel’s descendants changed the surname to Cruthirds in 1804. The family is thought to be of Scots-Irish origin.

Sample from: Darlington, South Carolina, United States

 

Robert Carruthers,

1668 – 1735

Robert’s descendant James Carruthers was the participant’s 4th great-grandfather. He was born in Letterkenny, Donegal in 1739, and came to America in 1765 with his twin brother Andrew. Several other siblings joined them, and James eventually settled in Huntingdon County, Pennsylvania.

Samples from:  Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland

 

James Carruthers,

  1. 1791 – 1848

James lived and worked in Gillyburn (near Closeburn), and died in Quarrelwood – all in Dumfriesshire. No siblings have been identified. His son James was born in 1835, and emigrated to South Africa in 1861, where he died in 1916. His descendants later moved to Zimbabwe (formerly Rhodesia).

Samples from: St. Mungo or Applegarth, Dumfriesshire, Scotland

 

Robert Carruthers,

1668 – 1735

 

Robert’s son James emigrated to Ireland. He married Esther Quigley, and his son Andrew was born in Letterkenny, County Donegal in 1739. Andrew emigrated to America in the 1760’s, arriving with his family in Pennsylvania. He later traveled through Virginia to Mecklenberg County, North Carolina. After having fought at the Battle of King’s Mountain outside Charlotte, North Carolina, he migrated to Bedford County, Tennessee, where he died in 1826.

Samples from:  Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland

 

David Carruthers,

born 1749

 

David resided at Woodhead Farm in Moffat, and fathered with his wife Cathrain five children – Janet (born 1770), William (born 1771), David (born 1779), James (born 1784) and John (born 1786).

Samples from:  Moffat, Dumfriesshire, Scotland

 

William Carruthers,

1718 – 1799

 

This is was missed on the official participant of the Border Reivers project, so additional genealogical info is not currently available.

 

James Carruthers,

1695 – 1748

 

James Carruthers was born in Scotland, but later emigrated to Ulster, and then finally to Pennsylvania around 1720. One of his kinsman was William Carruthers, who was apparently born in Breconside, Dumfriesshire around 1690 and died circa 1719.

 

Samples from : Paisley, Renfrewshire,Scotland

 

John Carothers,

  1. 1725 – 1783

 

John was one of several siblings who emigrated to America (some via Northern Ireland) by 1745. John died in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. His widow, Sarah Neely Carothers, joined their sons, who had moved to Mecklenburg County, North Carolina by 1775. His son Robert (1750 – 1837) moved to Davidson, Tennessee circa 1790.

Samples from:  Scotland, Ulster & Pennsylvania

 

Robert Carruthers,

1690 – 1771

 

Robert emigrated to Ireland in 1712, and then later to America in 1745. He settled in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, and died in that colony in 1771. The participant also claims descent from William de Carruthers, who made a donation to Newbattle Abbey during the reign of Alexander II (1215 – 1245) – and from John Carruthers, 5th Laird (and 1st Baron) of Holmains, who died in 1580.

 

Samples from: Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland

 

David Carothers,

born 20th century

 

This participant was missed as  an official participant of the Border Reivers project, so additional genealogical info is not currently available.

Sample from: Scotland

 

John Carruthers,

1725 – 1783

 

John Carruthers resided in Pennsylvania, and was of Scots-Irish descent.

Sample from : Pennsylvania, United States

 

Robert Crothers,

1834 – 1901

 

This participant was miss as  an official participant of the Border Reivers project, so additional genealogical info may not be readily available

 

Sample from: Belfast, Northern Ireland

 

Adam Cruthirds,

 

born 20th century

This is a new participant in the Border Reivers project, and genealogical info is not yet available.

Sample from:  United Kingdom

 

Robert Crothers,

1880 – 1961

This is not an official participant of the Border Reivers project, so additional genealogical info may not be readily available.

Sample from: Belfast, Northern Ireland

 

John Carothers,

1725-1783

John was one of five brothers and two sisters, all but one of whom emigrated to America about 1740. John himself emigrated by way of Northern Ireland in 1745. He was born in Dumfries, but died in Cumberland Cty., Pennsylvania, where he is buried near Silver Springs Presbyterian Church. He was a veteran of Pontiac’s Rebellion, and was a Mason. His father is thought to have been Robert Carothers. After he died, his wife, the former Sarah Neely, moved to Mecklenburg Cty., North Carolina, along with three of their sons. John’s twin brother Hugh had already settled in that area.

Samples from:  Dumfries, Dumfriesshire, Scotland

 

John Carothers,

1725 – 1783

Sample from Pennsylvania

 

Richard Carruthers,

born 20th century

 

This individual claims to be adopted, so these DNA results may have nothing to do with the Carruthers clan at all. Coincidentally, they match all markers, like those of other genetic Carruthers/Carothers clan members.

Samples from : British Isles, Minnesota USA

 

James Carruthers,

1650 – 1730

 

This branch of the Carruthers family emigrated to America from Ainstable, England in 1832.

Sample from:  Milholme, Cumbria England

 

 

James Adam Carruth,

1679 – 1726

 

James Carruth was born in Scotland, but later migrated to County Antrim, Northern Ireland. Of his seven children, Walter, Adam, Alexander, Elizabeth (later McCormick) and Mary (later Huggins) emigrated to America in 1729 on board the “Dilligence of Glasgow”. James and John remained behind in Ireland, but may have emigrated themselves at a later date.

Sample from:  Renfrewshire, Scotland

 

Christopher Carruthers,

born ca. 1848

 

This branch of the Carruthers family was originally from Bishopwearmouth (now Hendon) in Sunderland, County Durham, England. This participant is a resident of Britain. His grandfather Arthur was christened in Bishopwearmouth in 1869, and his father was born in 1907.

Samples from: Durham, England

 

Joseph Carruthers,

born 20th century

This participant claims Scottish ancestry, but has provided no additional genealogical information. He is currently a resident of the state of California.

Sample:  Scotland

 

John Carruthers,

1725 – 1783

 

John’s ancestors emigrated from Scotland to Virginia in 1660. They moved to Pennsylvania in 1700, North Carolina in 1760 and 1774, and finally Tennessee in 1790. The participant himself is from the Midwest and bears the surname Carothers.

Samples from: Scotland

 

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